All religons are not created equal. Islam vs Christianity

[NighEve*{MEOW}*]

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Unfortently its the same with all religions :(

Not like you think. Although there have been and still are misuses of Christianity, true Christianity, despite the liberal worldview is not an oppressive religion. it is exclusive however.

Christianity is by invitation, not force.  Islam does teach that you can convert by force, the penalty for not converting in Islamic law is death in radical countries or at the least discrimination in the not so radical countries, same with the Hindu religion in India.

Islam is bent on world domination. Is Christianity?  Not in it's original Christ-like form.  Once again it is by invitation and is tolerant of other religions. it is based on will and free choice.

Is Christianity exclusive?  Some people say this because the sole path to salvation in Christianity is faith in Jesus Christ.   All other religions, including Islam, is karma based or is "works" based. That is you earn your way to heaven.  If you are "good enough" you MAY make it.  The 911 hijackers thought they had a fast track to Heaven by killing 3000 innocent humans.  We all know this is 'wrong' in our hearts.  Notice that not very many Islam clerics condemned this. 

If God is who He says He is in the Bible (and for the most part in Islam) then he is an all powerful and perfect God who cant tolerate ANY sin.  You have to be made perfect.  No amount of good deeds will ever be good enough to be in his presence. Therefore for a simple fact of believing or Faith in Christ you receive the GIFT of Grace and your slate is wiped clean.  You acknowledge and repent of wrongs and TRY to do good, knowing that at the end your faith will make you sinless. 

Christianity is based on faith and LOVE.  It's based on the fact that God loves us. he made us and doesn't want to see anyone perish. He is concerned with our SOUL which is eternal. He knows we are willful and corrupt even though we have a desire to be "good". So by offering a Gift of Grace he makes it open for ALL people to have eternal life.  Not just the good ones.

Christianity believes in free choice because it is a religion of love.  To truly love you can never force anyone to love you or accept you.  God knows this and made us with this will and gives us free choice for it to be real.

True Christianity, by Grace, is a personal faith although there is the organized church.  the church is the "religion" you speak of and is easily corrupted as in the Crusades, Inquisition and TV Evangelist taking your money. 

Islam sees the would as a group. Is sees the masses and requires everyone to take part.  Christianity sees one person at a time.  You don't have to pray at a certain time in groups, you don't even have to attend church or read the bible although being with like-minded  believers helps.

The Jewish religion was a lot like Islam, they both came out of Abraham. When Jesus arrived He condemned the Jewish Leaders because they were following the Law (good works) and depending on that to save them.  They had lost the Love or spirit of the law..or faith.  They had lost the individual relationship with God each person must have.  The Jews Crucified Him because of this belief/teaching.  This belief threatened their power over the masses. This is what Islam wants..power over the masses. This is what the radicals want.

Look at what this teaching has done.  Spread and flurished to make the western civilaziton, people respond to love and acceptance.  Freedom ideals came from this idea of freedom of choice.  That evey person has a will and a responsibility.  Yes they respond to Islamic coesion and force, too. Islam does not believe in freedom of choice..it asks for your soul and if you dont give it, it kills you.

What Christ wants is to give power to the individual to over come and be made perfect.  Simply by believing and trying. He made is simple and based it on the most desired thing: Love.

[THEKATZ*{MEOW}*]

To those that don't understand, this brings it all together very well.   Thank you Eve.

[Smooth*{MEOW}*]

I was thinking of this as well this past week watching a couple events.  First, this Azzam al-qaeda guy (they refer to him as Azzam the American, but I think that title is highly unfitting in my opinion).  Calls for the complete conversion of the US to Islam.  Did they really expect results from this, or a propaganda move?  I wonder if these guys are starting to believe their own BS they use on their followers.  Second, Iran saying the US should surrender and bow down to it and asking everyone to imagine a world without the US.  Everyone knows the Iatola (sp?) is pulling the strings in that government.

The whole Middle East thing is sickening already.  The sooner we get off this oil the better.  I wonder what will become of that region once no-one has a need for oil anymore.  I can't think of very many achivements towards bettering humanity that have come from there.

[THEKATZ*{MEOW}*]

Saddly enough, we depend on the oil not just for our vehicles but jobs too.  Lobyist for the OPEC nations keep us tied to the middle east, this just isn't right.  From what I understand, we have enough resources here in the US that we could actually cripple the middle east.  Our resources are as plentiful if not more so than the middle east.  So, you can actually blame the tree huggers and OPEC lobyist for our situation really.  We need to cut the strings and show them with out the US, they would be nothing.

[BigBruzer*{MEOW}*]

You got that right TK.  Good Post NighE.  It is amazing to me that the things I have put in my bible studies here, come to surface somewhere in someone elses forums.  Interfaithism or another word for the same thing is Ecumenism teaches just that NighE.  All roads of religion do not lead to the same place!

Just because people pray to a higher being or a God...does not mean a dog gone thing!  But I could preach here all day or put up studies all day and you will still find topics going on such as this.  I have to take this one opportunity to remind those who actually do read their bible of something.  Jesus gave us the example of how to walk life, talk life, give in life and how to prepare for after life.  He gave this duty to his disciples to carry on.  I think they did a great job.

When Saul, a firm solid follower of the God of the Old Testament, brought up in Temple, hardcore orthodox Jew, saw people following Jesus and not the God of the Old Testament, Yaweh, Jehovah, the I AM.  He was authourized by the Temple to rid the land of Jesus followers!  He tortured, imprisoned them and killed them for following Jesus.

But when Jesus straightened him out and let Saul know that Jesus was the God Jehovah, Yaweh, the I Am, the Almighty God, he changed his tune!  He repented, he was baptized by Peters baptizm, and filled with the Holy Ghost!

Now Saul and to change his name to Paul and preached what the disciples taught....and you find he confirms that to all in Eph. 5:6 and he screams to the church in Ephesus..that there is only ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, AND ONE BAPTISM!  He preached what Peter preached..he died preaching what Peter preached and that doctrine is still being preached today! 

Though under the guise of Christianity there are many doctrines preached today fooling those in pews and pulpits.  Strange doctrines of praying to the dead, praying for the dead, chanting mantras, drinking to drunkeness and professing to be a follower of Christ Jesus!  Abortion, homosexuality in the pulpits, immoralities, vices, and shacking up all over the world!  Just put a cross on you necklace and tattoo one on your arm and you are a follower of Christ...but not so!

All roads of prayer, all roads of crosses and all roads of religion do not lead to heaven!  Paul said that there is only One Lord and that Lord is Jesus Christ who was God come from Heaven to be born on this earth, and walk among us to be one of us, to live as one of us and die as one of us!  That Lord is Jesus Christ who said he would rise out of the grave after 3 days and did!  He showed himself to over 500 people so there would be no mistake that He lives!

Paul said that there is only ONE FAITH, and he saw people worshiping Diana, Zues, all of the Greek god, and he saw those hung up living in the past NOT ACKNOWLEDING Jesus as the Saviour who could save them from Hell.  He saw Roman religion, Eastern Religions, Egyptian Religions, Satan worshippers, soothsayers, wizards, and many, many more.  But He preached only ONE Faith, it was the doctrine that JESUS laid out for HIS disciples!  Those disciples preached ... YOU MUST BE BORN OF THE WATER AND THE SPIRIT!  They preached that Jesus was God come from heaven, they preached Jesus was the everlasting father, they preached he was the MESSiAh that they were looking for!  AND.....They preached that the NAME OF JESUS,  was the most precious name in any language!  You can heal with it, you can be healed with it.  That name will be your COMFORT if you cry it out loud!  It will soothe your turmoiled sould.  It will be your everything if you let it!.....And it is the only, I said the ONLY NAME that can save you from hell!  Not money, not prestiege, not anything you can give! 

AND THAT NAME MUST BE APPLIED TO YOU or its just a name in a story book.  Its just a name that someone had in history.  Its just a name that the religious world throws around to sound religious or pious.  I'm telling you with all sincerity, that there is 'No other Name under Heaven by which we MUST be saved!'  How?  You have it applied to you.  You have it put on you, you get covered with it!  You immerse yourself in it!  His blood can save your sould, but you must use it!!!

There is only ONE BAPTISM!  Matthew 28:19 was not a baptismal service.  It was a meeting a closed door meeting with Jesus and his disciples.  Matthew here tells who Jesus was...HE was the Father, he is the Son, and he is the Holy Ghost!  He didn't say ' Polly Parrot these words in baptisms'  Luke in the same room said..Use his name!  Peter said...I will do it!!!!  I will baptize using the Name of Jesus!  The first baptismal service over 3000 people were baptized getting the name of JESUS applied to them dunking them in the water pronouncing the name of Jesus upon them!  As a matter of fact, every baptism that was done after Jesus death clear up to 325 AD had the name of Jesus put on the individuals soul!

Paul in conjunction with writing that there is only One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism, also wrote in the book of Galatians, that ' if any other preach any other message be he a man or an angel, let him be accursed! and he said it twice!

All religions taking us to the same place?  You have got to be out of your mind to believe that!  Here is what the World Council of Churches and the One World religious system the U.N. would like you to believe..and some of you do, and mind you they did this in the year 2000, got about 163 religions together in the same room and worshipped together.... they got Hindus, Buddist, Muslims, Jew, Catholics, Protestants, Zin, Dali Lama, everything..... and had a Wiccan lead them in prayer!  A Satanist lead them in prayer and they all after bowing in prayer OOOooooommmmd together!

Don't fool yourself!  Just because a person prays, just because a person carries a book, or a bible, just because his collar is backward, just because he wears a cross or a robe, does not mean he is a Christian!!!!  It does not say he is saved!  It does not compare with what the disciples preached, taught, and exersized. 

AFTER...a person has followed the death, burial, and ressurection or being born again, you will know if he is a follower of Jesus Christ by the fruits of the spirit.  You will be able to tell, if his old ways have changed, are you still drunk, still cussing God? Still, lying, cheating, fighting, killing, etc on a regular basis without asking for forgiveness?  Paul wrote, if these people are doing these things yet, they are just fooling themselves and they won't make it to heaven.

He wrote, that there is only ONE way!  He wrote that there is a WAY THAT SEEMS RIGHT TO A MAN BUT THAT WAY LEADS TO DAMNATION. 

All roads lead to heaven huh?  Not what the bible says.  I know you have got questions.  Some day  the Lord Jesus will come back soon I hope.  I won't be here after My Lord appears in the clouds and calls his Bride up.  You will post, but i won't be here to answer.  Why?  I have repented of my old life.  I have gladly had His name, Jesus, who is my husbandman, applied to my soul, whom I am part of His Bride to be.  ( all wives properly done, take the new name of their husband )  And i have been filled with his Spirit, his Holy wonderfullness.  Because i his bride, i can speak to him of very close things, intimate thigs.  He will not ridicule, or make light, He will take me, and he does, and coddle me in prayer.  I cry like a baby cuz i miss him so much.

All religions lead to heaven??? NO no NO my friends.  If your pastor or sunday school teacher has taught you different than what i have taught you these years, be concerned with the security and the saftey of you family and your own soul.  I never make this up.  This is the bible made simple.  Find some time and question yourself...am i really ready if Jesus comes back today?  Has BBruzer stumbled onto this squad by the hand of religion, or by the leading and the direction of the Lord Jesus?  What if BB is telling the truth? 

Thank you once again NighE. for introducing this topic to the MEOW Chapel.  You never know what the Lord Jesus will do with an effort do you?

[NighEve*{MEOW}*]

Wow..good words BB.   

[Morbius{MEOW}]

True, the Islamics demand group prayer and designated times and you must face a desiganted direction. They miss the whole concept. To those that have studied the Christian faith, they know and understand that the TRUE CHURCH of CHRIST is within each of us, in our hearts and in our souls where we keep the faith. The gatherings of people in the church is a unifiying experience where people can come together in faith, not as a requirement of the faith. Christianity is a religon of free will. You MUST ASK for the grace and the forgiveness. You MUST WANT to walk in the word. These things cannot be forced upon an individual becuase if it is there is no sincerity, no faith, no salvation.

Discussion Point: In regards to the Wiccan religon, as with any religon there are fanatics and extremeists. The basis of the Wiccan beliefs( as it was explained to me, but who knows I may be wrong and it certainly would not be the first time, nor the last LOL) is nature. It is only good or evil if the person following the path chooses it to be so and uses it in that way.  Much in the same way that these TV Evangalists use the Christian faith to line their pockets. They take something that was meant for good and twist and corrupt it.
While I cannot understand why someone would worship a tree, something that was created by the One True God, nor can I condone it, I am not sure that the Wiccan faith is Satanic but their path will not lead them to salvation either, in my opinion.

[NighEve*{MEOW}*]

The Bible says that all witchcraft and sorcery is a route to evil, it is a deception of Saten.  The forces of nature are a real and tangible thing.  But if you re not praying or have devotion to God then you are falling short.  We in america and all developed contries are no different however..we daily worship or jobs and cars and the local tavern.  Wiccan just does not go high enough to the maker of those forces of nature. Does Wiccan work? The bible seems to say it does..but what real force are you calling on? Where are you placing your trust? Are ther good witches? Yes. Just like ther are good Islam worshipers, good Hindus and good Humanists.  'Good' dont cut it however.

You just said that wiccans and Islam and all other religions can have bad and good in them.  This is a proof of free will.  No matter who you are, you are given free will.  Is this not a proof of the Truth?  Shouldnt all religions be based on free will if they have truth?  Even after acceptance of Christ you retain that free will because you need to to retain faith and Love. If you look closly at how other religions handle free will and the practice of it..especially after acceptance of that religion you see their flaw in Truth.  If a Christian leaves the Faith we are saddened..you leave Islam and you are dead..literally.  even in wiccan you are an outcast.

In other religions obedience is demanded.  In Christianityis is expected,yes but not  because it is the path to salvation but a symptom of it.  We try to adhere to God's law out of gratitude for the Gift of Grace. We fall short but repentance brings forgivness. 

[Raidien{MEOW}]

The pope's message this week certainly didn't help the Christian world...

[BigBruzer*{MEOW}*]

I am sure you are talking about the speech he made about the muslim religion.  I am no pope fan but i don't believe that he was entirely to inaccurate.  I think all he said was that the muslim religion has brought evil and inhuman things.  He was probably referring to all of their death threats they are making around the world.  If that is what he was referring to, i can't fault that to much.

They must be stopped, but believe it or not, they won't be, like we wish they would.  When Jesus showed John the things that were to come, He showed John the 4 horses of the apocolpse.  Among those 4 it shows that they will be a world power before the return of Jesus at Armegeddon.  Most people don't know that lesson, but i would be happy to give it if you are interested.  They WILL be a world power.  Sickening isn't it?

[Raidien{MEOW}]

That was kindof what I was referring to is that it seems that alot more biblical things are falling into place all over and quickly now... The pope's message seems to me as though it may have triggered a whole new wave of things... I do totally agree that the muslims must be stopped, but I think that message might have drawn them a bit more out of the woodwork... we may start seeing more Christian persecution... I heard that one nun was already shot because of the speech...

[NighEve*{MEOW}*]

Yea.. hit the URL on the first post and see how this had fared in that other forum.

[BigBruzer*{MEOW}*]

I heard today that those muslims are threatning Rome also.  They are acting so ridiculous!