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« on: September 14, 2006, 01:42:24 PM »

I saw an article today that sort of burned me.  Im not sure that i am reading this right.  Did this Chaplin get court martialed or repremanded for using the name of Jesus?  If this is true, this is really messed up!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Navy_Chaplain.html
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2006, 03:25:32 PM »

The way I read the story is that he went to court marshal for disobeying a direct order. After reading the article, he seems very devout in his faith, which I believe is necessary for a minister. However the way the rest of the article reads, it seems like he does things that are a little outside the box for uniformed service.

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Last December, the chaplain went on an 18-day hunger strike in front of the White House over the right to invoke Jesus' name outside such services.
As an officer, especially a Chaplin, this is a poor example to set for the rest of the Navy, or any other service. How is the young 19 year old who has been in the service for only a few months supposed to take this, and how will it influence his decisions as to right or wrong. Most young kids would take this as an appropriate action for any grievance they might have in the service because they saw a Lt do it.

The Military is very conscious about where and how the uniform is represented.
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The charge centered on a March 30 news conference protesting a Navy policy that requires nondenominational prayers outside of religious services.
The fact that he attended the "press conference" not a worship service, as he stated in uniform is the issue. Unless the article is incorrect, the issue was not that he acted as a Chaplin and worshiped or preached, but that he disobeyed the order to not wear his uniform to a press conference, which displays US Navy support for his cause. A Chaplin in the Navy is not just a minister, but a leader, consoler, mentor, and a crisis management team member. As such there are a limited number that receive this training. We only have 8-10 for my base which has 6000 active duty personnel and their dependants. The Lutheran Chaplin might give his service then give a nondenominational service an hour later. The reason for requiring nondenominational prayers outside a religious service is not to offend another religion. The DoD recognizes most religions from Catholic to muslem to pagan, so I feel that is an appropriate policy ( I certainly don't want to hear a pagan prayer).

My point is that, although this man appears to be a devout Christian, from the example he sets is not becoming of a military member, let alone an officer, and he should probably leave the military quietly so he has a better chance of getting a church to take him.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2006, 09:42:59 PM »

I agree Doball. The issue here is that he was utilizing his Military positon during a political statement, a violation of a direct order. Hence the punishment. While I agree that he was standing up for his religous beliefs, he is also a commisioned officer in the Navy. If they do not punish him for publicly violating a direct order, how then can they punish another member of the military for violating any order?
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2006, 03:29:20 PM »

Ok. Got it.  I guess you can be a Christian Chaplin, just don't mention Christ.  Is there something wrong with fasting now?  The bible says that somethings, can only come about by prayer and fasting.

If he was out of line because of dress code i can understand.  We just don't know what he said or how he acted for the most part. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2006, 11:12:46 PM »

I thought I explaned it before, but either I didn't do a very good job, or one just has to serve to understand.   HE DIDN'T ACT LIKE AN OFFICER! Now he's not gonna be one. A Chaplin has two codes to live by, Gods and the Military's. He couldn't do that so now he's getting the boot, and he'll only have God to serve.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2006, 09:20:37 AM »

ah, ok.
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2006, 01:04:08 AM »

If this guy was pushing a point and disobeying officers then maybe he deserves what he gets..however, there are plenty of incidences where the military has trampled on the rights of Christians in the name of political correctness.  They are afraid some atheist will be offended.  Since when does it matter if you are offended in the military??
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2006, 02:11:37 PM »

Wow, I just wen't back and re-read my last post here. I sounded like an @##. My sincere apologies.

Since when does it matter if you are offended in the military??

Since the military became worried about it's image. The Full metal jacket days are long gone. I'm not going to ramble on about it, but I will say that even the lowest ranking person's "rights" are taken into account now.

I wasn't trying to say I don't believe in his cause or arguements, because I do. Freedom of religion has turned into opression of Christianity, and support for all the other religions. I hate that as much as you, but even a Christian must be held accountable for their actions when they go aginst the rules. I do not belive we shouldn't be allowed to speak publicly of Christ, however I do appreciate the other side of it...not having to hear muslim, hindu, buddist, wiccan, and all the others.

I despise the fact, that in my childrens school nothing is observed about Christmas from a Christian standpoint. However they come home with their paper minoras, or quanzah whatevers. But I can't do anything about that, especially if I were to try to do it publically in uniform. Doing so "might" be taken as the stance of the Navy. That was the issue with the Chaplin.

I just do my best and live with God in my life, and impress that on my family.  Once again, I'm sorry that I came across so rudely, that was not my intention.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2006, 11:45:07 PM »

I did not take it that way, Doe...realy.   My question is if they (athiests or those that would be offended) dont believe there is power in the name of Christ then why are they worried?  You might say they are afraid someone else might be influenced by the ten Commandments or Prayer.  Well then that means they want to take away the rights for people to choose.   There is no logic in this at all.  For 200 years in this country we have had God spoken in the govenment and schools and we are better off for it.  Now they take it away and wonder why Columbine happened or the teen pregnancy rate is so high.  Why divorce and suicide are  everywhere.
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