One for fun.

[BigBruzer*{MEOW}*]

Speculation and sensible input is welcome on this topic, but it should carry continuity with the bible we use today.  In our bibles we start with the book of Genesis.  If you will note, there is no date of the recorded writings of things that happened clear up to the 12th chapter.  The 12th chapter actually starts a date by which we can determine some "time" value.

Up until then, we had a whole other world of people on this globe which we know little about.  The Lord God ( JESUS ) loved them as much as he loves us, but because of sin and disobedience to his rules, he shafted them with so much water that the whole entire world drowned except for Noah and his family.

So any ideas on how long this very prehistoric world lasted?  How inovative was this world through out their ages?  We are given a little about what happened at creation, that He spoke into existance all that we are familiar with in our world, so I would expect that the world before us had these resources also.  What do you think that they achieved with those resources?  Did they have plumbing, electricity, etc.  Now before you snicker and shrug it off, think....

We are always told of cities we have never seen like Atlantis for example.  Yet evidences of civilizations before ours.  Gods word tells us of a Garden of Eden, yet it was washed away.  How about Giants?  What did the hieght of an average man and woman reach?  We see disobedient angels disregarded God's instruction and rules, and came down and had sexual relations with women, which resulted in a new breed of people, I should say....Giants.

How long did it take for a world, ( located on one area of ground ) to become inhabited from only 2 people?  In only a few short scriptures we read, the population went from 2 to cities of people!  We see people lived for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years!

This world before ours grew to the place where, their desires were not of God at all, but their own.  The first desire was of a sexual nature.  It was something they thought of all of the time!  So no doubt, lying, deciet, wealth, poverty, power, and many other things came out of it.  What a surprise, it always does.  The last thing was...violence filled the earth.

Violence denotes..they fought, killed each other, and i don't think one at a time either.  I believe that they got together as groups, sects, and armies to fight.  Did they throw rocks at each other?  I doubt that seriously, i think they came up with weapons like more advanced that what we gave them credit for.

What was going on in the heaven at this time?  There were angels created by Our Lord God Jesus.  Some were great, some got a big head and formed an army to go against HIM.  They were kicked out of The area known as heaven.  We see a very smart angel who was one of the ArchAngels in Heaven kicked out because of his disobedience, jealousy.etc.  He and his army of angels, were banished to the atmosphere of the earth.  We always see that Lucifer was Prince and Power of the air.  Some day soon, we see that the pinhead will be allowed to walk on the earth but not quite yet.

Think of all that Lucifer knew after living in the area of Heaven.  Think of the advancement he had over us as men restricted to this earth.. He could fly, he seen colors we had never heard of. Sounds, songs, sights, inovation beyond our comprehension.  Well don't you think that he shared some of that with mankind?  I do.  Man was doing cool until Satan entered into the heart of man then mankind went nuts as to say.  It was Lucifers desire to see Jesus creation foul up and become horrible in Jesus sight, to the point that it has to be done away with.

Who in the world would ever think that out of the blue, we should start mining for metal, or things like uranium?  No, someone knew about all of this and shared it with us, and poof...it was man's idea?  Too hard for me to swallow.

The ArchAngels knew all about this earth.  They knew to pop in here, and leave here.  Angels appeared and disappeared all through the bible.  They had the power to do so.  It seems as if they knew everything about this plan except for Gods name.  They only knew Him as the Holy One, or God. Just think how much had to pass in the Heavens ( plural ) before it all came down to us today or even before the first world.

Lets have some input here.  I want to know what you know, or imagine.  I find this line of history, extremely interesting.

[INSTINCT]

in regard to this vein of thought , i have read some very very interesting national geographic articles about a biblical anthropologist who has a summary theory whereby man of the pre flood era actually engineered the dinosaur cluing into the fact that god called "his " animal creations unto the ark 2x2 and 7x7,but no mention of reptilian progenators.

[BigBruzer*{MEOW}*]

Right.  I believe the dinosaurs died in a portion of the era before Noah did the animals 2 by 2.  Our account of the dinosaurs is in the book of Job which is the oldest book in the bible and also does not have dates applied to it.  The one account that i can remember off the top of my head in the book of Job, is .... The behemoth which drinketh up a river of water.  I can not say whether Job actually saw them or not, but he knew about them.  I would imagine that Adam saw them, but it again is not mentioned.

Also in the book of Job is metioned the extinct Unicorn.  I don't think that Job was kidding or pulling a joke on us so I believe there was a unicorn at one time, but as far as it being magical???....no.  I think the imagination of man sort of painted that picture for us.

Thanks Instinct!

[INSTINCT]

one thing we must keep in mind here, we modern humans always tend to think of the ancients as not bieng able or up to snuff,constantly asking "howd they do this" or this must have been impossible" or even the moron's clarion call "it was alien intelligence" , ancient man* was far far more sophisticated and intelligent than we know,they just did not benefit from modern breakthroughs but as early as the greek age steam was harnessed and the romans had mastered the "elevator" wich we think was first invented by mr otis in ny in the 1900s was actually in place and working at the colosseum 2500 years ago!,steam heat and plumbing had long ago been mastered by the romans and even way back to the medes-persian empires persian doctors perfected the practice of perforating the skull to release pressure in the skull from combat head wounds, 3000 years ago!.

keep in mind desendants directly from adam* were closer to creation and significantly better physically than we are today,the very very ancients would have access to to tremendous knowledge and a far better understanding of animal husbandry ,agriculture ect then we ever could know, as adams kin become removed farther and farther way from eden* they still would have benefited from a supreme climate almost tropical in nature as there were no snows or harsh climates in the eden age or post there of*, remember the bible says methusula was 12 feet tall and lived hundreds of years -of course this is embelishment as many old tales do this kind of superman treatment to mythical figures,but in our case here the bible explicitly links mans physicall prowess and it details our punnishment and physical degredation as we embrace sin, "from the sweat of our brows shall we sow" .some times clues can be found in the most subtle of ways in genesis it says ---and god saw that every desire of man was evil & in his heart dwelled on the sinfull and the lord saw nothing but wickness in man---it is not beyond the realm of possibility that anti deluvian man had the capacity to husband animals that were not meant to be paired and in so dooing corrupted what god has made.

in leading up to the passage that God called unto the ark 2x2 and 7x7 that **he had made**,and then the flood comes --now in todays world we find dinosaur carcasses on mountain tops and we say it must have been a metor strike to surge up such mountains , but what about carcasses deposited due to receeding waters? we never want to embrace the simplest answers always we look to theories and by definition theories take God out of the equation and that is exactly what the evil one wants us to do.

[BigBruzer*{MEOW}*]

Instinct, find me the scripture in the KJV where it says Methusala was 12 ft tall.  Im interested.  I know that he was 900 some years old.